You make very good points. The part about psychiatrists deciding if someone is beyond help and can commit suicide is not that different than them encouraging gender dysphoric youth to go ahead and transition to “prevent suicide” - this has happened to a relative and they are in very bad shape emotionally. Also agree that with age, our BS meter becomes more finely tuned.
Thank you. I have so many issues surrounding the trans issue right now. I know many who have trans persons in their families and these individuals are truly trans.
What concerns me is when the psychiatric community chooses not to treat the u feeling mental health issue and jumps right to trans for those who have never exhibited a trans issue before taking this leap as a teen or older.
It used to take years and therapy for someone to go through transition. That has been thrown out and I find it detrimental to so many.
And yes they scare you with the suicide thing, but I just read a report that that is also a fallacy.
Again psychiatry is not a hard science and people need to go slow, with caution and take their time with treatment except in emergency situations. (My thoughts and perspective no one else’s. Not based on anything but over 3 decades of dealing with the psychiatric community)
Your trans remark is correct. The WPATH guidelines were the gold standard for transition. I was unable to even secure a estradiol script without THE letter from a certified trans therapist. As a nurse, I recently was in a clinical setting with young adults. Transition seems to be rather willy-nilly now, with many just doing their own thing. Doesn't seem like a good path.
There has to be money behind encouraging transition or who benefits? The families of trans people are often scarred beyond belief because they can suffer bereavement for the person who has been lost to them. They often cannot accept the replacement version and are made to feel bad about it. It’s an emotional thing and you can’t reason with emotions.
Definitely frustrating times. An important factor may be a lack of national unity, in the US anyway. We were drawn together during the depression, WW2, the cold war, and perhaps the Vietnam fiasco.
Having come through those days we were declared the strongest nation on earth, a veritable empire. We began paying attention to conspicuous consumption. National unity faded as individualism grew. The concept of objective truth and moral accountability (In G_d We Trust) decayed, grew dim, and faded away. Political power and individual power are all that remain.
There was a time in Israel's history that is perhaps parallel. Not long after entering the lands promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, things started to go sideways (Judges 21:25). To wit: "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes". This resulted in the lack of unified governance and the resulting individualism, where people acted according to their own judgment rather than following a collective moral or legal standard.
That history ended badly, as did the Roman empire and it appears the US has forgotten history is repetitive. If we won't stand together for something greater than ourselves, we final won't stand at all. Little wonder it all feels so chaotic and dysfunctional.
Excellent. The same here in the U.K. Civilisation needs to be studied and understood more widely. Diversity undermines unity and we need to carefully appreciate what values are accepted and who they really serve. We have suffered bad leadership across the Western World for a long time now and have seen how, if someone beneficial to the nation breaks through, he is brought down by the jealous, self-seeking jackals.
The major problem facing society is the erosion of the sanctions that are imposed by the state especially in our urban areas. The areas of civic life where this erosion is most clearly seen is in crime and homelessness. Progressive prosecutors have raised the minimum value to prosecute shoplifting to $1000 in many cities with the obvious result of gangs of criminals taking full advantage of that ridiculous limit.
The ending of stop and frisk policing has resulted in a flood of black on black, black on Asian, and black on white violence including homicides. Anyone in an urban area who watches the nightly news knows this is true but no one mentions it.
The homeless, largely drug addicted and/or mentally ill are also allowed to degrade the quality of life of productive citizens because no one will say: "no, you can't camp anywhere you want", "no, you can't shoot up and leave your used needles lying around", "no, you can't shit in our streets". Someone has to start saying NO to both groups backed up by real action if we are to survive as a civilized society.
There is no right and wrong anymore and everyone is a victim. The progressive DAs and legislatures have ruined our cities.
And I hear you about the homeless population. Instead of getting these people the help they need the progressives have decided to that it is cruel to not let them live in the streets, shoot up drugs and not get the help they need.
This I think is one of the biggest stains on our soul as a nation, apart from the fact that we, the wealthiest nation in history, have people who go to bed hungry.
The first bit, complaining about Covid restrictions make me wander what restrictions were introduced in the USA during the Spanish flu a century or so earlier. I have a bit of idea in UK but not elsewhere.
In the US it wasn't even so much the initial quarantines or closures that caused angst and uproar, it was that they went on for far too long and how it was driven by politics and not science.
You make very good points. The part about psychiatrists deciding if someone is beyond help and can commit suicide is not that different than them encouraging gender dysphoric youth to go ahead and transition to “prevent suicide” - this has happened to a relative and they are in very bad shape emotionally. Also agree that with age, our BS meter becomes more finely tuned.
Thank you. I have so many issues surrounding the trans issue right now. I know many who have trans persons in their families and these individuals are truly trans.
What concerns me is when the psychiatric community chooses not to treat the u feeling mental health issue and jumps right to trans for those who have never exhibited a trans issue before taking this leap as a teen or older.
It used to take years and therapy for someone to go through transition. That has been thrown out and I find it detrimental to so many.
And yes they scare you with the suicide thing, but I just read a report that that is also a fallacy.
Again psychiatry is not a hard science and people need to go slow, with caution and take their time with treatment except in emergency situations. (My thoughts and perspective no one else’s. Not based on anything but over 3 decades of dealing with the psychiatric community)
Underlying mental health issue…
Your trans remark is correct. The WPATH guidelines were the gold standard for transition. I was unable to even secure a estradiol script without THE letter from a certified trans therapist. As a nurse, I recently was in a clinical setting with young adults. Transition seems to be rather willy-nilly now, with many just doing their own thing. Doesn't seem like a good path.
There has to be money behind encouraging transition or who benefits? The families of trans people are often scarred beyond belief because they can suffer bereavement for the person who has been lost to them. They often cannot accept the replacement version and are made to feel bad about it. It’s an emotional thing and you can’t reason with emotions.
Definitely frustrating times. An important factor may be a lack of national unity, in the US anyway. We were drawn together during the depression, WW2, the cold war, and perhaps the Vietnam fiasco.
Having come through those days we were declared the strongest nation on earth, a veritable empire. We began paying attention to conspicuous consumption. National unity faded as individualism grew. The concept of objective truth and moral accountability (In G_d We Trust) decayed, grew dim, and faded away. Political power and individual power are all that remain.
There was a time in Israel's history that is perhaps parallel. Not long after entering the lands promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, things started to go sideways (Judges 21:25). To wit: "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes". This resulted in the lack of unified governance and the resulting individualism, where people acted according to their own judgment rather than following a collective moral or legal standard.
That history ended badly, as did the Roman empire and it appears the US has forgotten history is repetitive. If we won't stand together for something greater than ourselves, we final won't stand at all. Little wonder it all feels so chaotic and dysfunctional.
Excellent. The same here in the U.K. Civilisation needs to be studied and understood more widely. Diversity undermines unity and we need to carefully appreciate what values are accepted and who they really serve. We have suffered bad leadership across the Western World for a long time now and have seen how, if someone beneficial to the nation breaks through, he is brought down by the jealous, self-seeking jackals.
There is no free lunch.
Too good to be true.
Cliches but also true.
The major problem facing society is the erosion of the sanctions that are imposed by the state especially in our urban areas. The areas of civic life where this erosion is most clearly seen is in crime and homelessness. Progressive prosecutors have raised the minimum value to prosecute shoplifting to $1000 in many cities with the obvious result of gangs of criminals taking full advantage of that ridiculous limit.
The ending of stop and frisk policing has resulted in a flood of black on black, black on Asian, and black on white violence including homicides. Anyone in an urban area who watches the nightly news knows this is true but no one mentions it.
The homeless, largely drug addicted and/or mentally ill are also allowed to degrade the quality of life of productive citizens because no one will say: "no, you can't camp anywhere you want", "no, you can't shoot up and leave your used needles lying around", "no, you can't shit in our streets". Someone has to start saying NO to both groups backed up by real action if we are to survive as a civilized society.
There is no right and wrong anymore and everyone is a victim. The progressive DAs and legislatures have ruined our cities.
And I hear you about the homeless population. Instead of getting these people the help they need the progressives have decided to that it is cruel to not let them live in the streets, shoot up drugs and not get the help they need.
This I think is one of the biggest stains on our soul as a nation, apart from the fact that we, the wealthiest nation in history, have people who go to bed hungry.
The first bit, complaining about Covid restrictions make me wander what restrictions were introduced in the USA during the Spanish flu a century or so earlier. I have a bit of idea in UK but not elsewhere.
Here is an article about the Spanish flu epidemic. https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/mask-resistance-during-pandemic-isnt-new-1918-many-americans-were-slackers
In the US it wasn't even so much the initial quarantines or closures that caused angst and uproar, it was that they went on for far too long and how it was driven by politics and not science.
Thanks for both pieces of info.