I think it all began with social media and how people put out everything on these platforms. It reminded me somewhat of the trend of school fights and putting them on tiktok or twitter.
But this is more than that. Remember October 7 they filmed the evil that they did. PArt of it was to document what they were doing like the Nazis did, and the other side of it was to terrify Jews worldwide. That was the aim of the pogromists in Amsterdam. To instill fear in Jews worldwide while getting kudos from their compatriots worldwide.
It was only 85 years ago and the people of this earth have yet to understand. Humans are not very smart. Yes some of the human race do see things in a better light but for the most part most run around in the dark screaming at the walls. As the story in Solomon's life goes, what will make a rich man cry and a poor man rejoice, simply, this too shall pass.
I'm not sure I buy into the jealousy motivation as being an explanation of antisemitism, tbh. Sure, it's a factor, but I think the truth is more sinister than that. There are misconceptions in the gentile world concerning Jews being called the Chosen People and that IS pure jealousy based on ignorance. And yes, many Jewish people are and have been extremely successful, rich, powerful, etc, but so are others but they don't attract hatred in quite the same way. Jews are scapegoated for just about everything under the sun, and Israel is the Scapegoat of the Nations. It doesn't matter what evil the nations of the world commit, Israel will always be the one to have the finger pointed at it. At a psychological and political level, it masks the inadequacies and failings of individual countries AND world bodies, and incitement against Israel deflects individual angst against weak, ineffective governments onto Israel. It is the same with Jew Hatred, the above applies too, but hatred of the other, especially hatred of the Jews, does seem to shield people from examining their own inadequacies and failings. The same can be said about racism, that is true, but that particular bigotry doesn't focus on something so small as 0.2% of the world's population. I believe the overwhelming factor comes down to religion. Let me qualify that by saying it has more to do with religions influence over countless millions, even billions of people. You don't have to be a regular church member or a devote adherent of Christianity or Islam to have imbibed any of their antisemitic tendencies. Judaism, like it or not, is synonymous with both World Jewry and with Israel, and Judaism at a very basic level threatens both the other two Abrahamic faiths because, according to the tenets of both Christianity and Islam, Judaism - and, therefore, according to that same twisted logic, Jewish particularism - should have disappeared a long time ago. Some of the Christian denominations have post-1948 amended their theological stance regarding both the Jews and Israel, but not all have. I dare say there are Muslim minorities that have gone through or, are going through a similar process, I certainly hope so. But, irrespective of any religious heirarchy's contemporary decision, the "faithful" those people exposed to antisemitism dressed up in religious garb all their lives have those negative teachings etched deep in their psyches. Only a fortunate few (of which I regard myself) rebel at an early enough age to see through the genocidal miasma and walk away, or at least start thinking for themselves. The processes of enculturation play a huge role outside of church and mosque too, and the wider society often adopts to the dominant religious voice, often unconsciously or subconsciously. The subconscious element in all of this is by far the greater evil because if you are consciously aware of something, at least there is a chance you might challenge it someday.
jealousy based on ignorance—needs corrective teaching —if it is pervasive public ignorance, might there be a (now) public way to correct this ignorance?
Not
amended their theological stance regarding both the Jews and Israel——because it doesn’t affect themselves so not a concern or priority.
Have some of the recent hateful results been augmented by behavior that was questionable and could have been apologized for and subsequently overlooked—if every secular deed is observable by anyone or everyone, shouldn’t there be a denial by those who are careful with their deeds and words of connection to those whose behavior insults their identity group?
Corrective teaching/Education would ideally be the norm yet, look at the abject failure of Holocaust Education to prevent the events of post-October 7th happening in the west. One could make a good argument that most of this is down to the Shoah been taken out of Holocaust education in the first place. Many behaviours post-October 7th in the USA, in the UK and on the streets in many, many parts of the world are despicable yet, in the US and the UK both governments and police forces have been unwilling or unable to enforce the law. In the UK they are arresting people for objecting to antisocial/antisemitic behaviours, not the real culprits. For sure, if the governments don't crack down on these Hamas supporters, etc, then they will cetainly be encouraged. It's difficult to unpick it all, but here in the UK much of the problems we're now facing regarding Muslim violence and agitation are traceable back to Tony Blair's time as PM when the predictions were made 20 years ago but no government has been willing to tackle the issues. As regards the relgious situation Christian denominations are in a bind because of the promotion of "Palestinian liberation" theology. The CoE archbishop criticises Hamas (! shock horror!) and gets into hot water with his Arab counterparts, just like the politicians really. As regards church flocks, I have no direct contact with any of them, but I would assume if any parishioner has aquired antisemitic attitudes/behaviours because of prior church teachings, he/she will keep them regardless of any U-turn the heirarchy may wish to make. Looking at it another way, like I was suggesting earlier regarding conscious vs unconscious behaviours, many people seem to be looking at the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas demonstrations and recognising the inherent evil or wrong headedness in it all. Let us hope this is the case. Btw, I agree all these things should be out in the open, but it's unclear how this can be done given government and law-enforcement reluctance to climb down off their respective fences.
I would say that the failure of holocaust education in the west is because they all lives mattered holocaust education instead of pointing out exactly what happened and why. For example- in my son's high school world history book there were exactly 2 paragraphs on the holocaust and mostly it was taken up by telling everyone the false fact that 11 million people were killed in the holocaust 6 million of them Jews. There was no discussion of the what happened in Germany, any of the laws and how the genocide happened or what happened afterwards either.
And the 11 million number was a number actually created by Simon Wiesenthal because he wanted nonJews to identify with the holocaust. This number is not routed in any fact. the biggest historical mistake ever made.
Not really. In a family there are dynamics at play that are unique to that family. And for any number of reasons things may be expected more of 1 sibling than the other.
If you want to make a comparison I would say it is like the people/strangers who want to "keep up with Joneses" but can't for any number of reason, and to make themselves feel better they try to burn down the Jones's house.
It is like those on social media that spend their lives building up others only to take enjoyment in their fall from grace.
Thank you for this wonderful comment. My husband says it is genetic memory that allows for antisemitism. That it is easy to fall back into antisemitism because historically for thousands of years it was a very accepted way of thinking.
And I agree it is something you can fight against, just like any theory that makes someone the other.
Antisemitism is unique though in how it is such an overarching menace in so many societies for so many eons. The problem I see is why so many do not want to fight against it but embrace its conspiratorial tendencies. So I was thinking of the jealousy angle like Thomas Sowell. Perhaps we are trying to understand a phenomena rationally when in reality it is completely irrational by its very inception.
Is it nature or nurture? It is mostly nurture, one would assume and yet, are we to seriously ignore two thousand years of antisemitic teachings within western society and pretend that has not been passed on from one generation to another subconsciously? I suspect the key to understanding antisemitism lies in questioning whether it is neccessarily always a conscious choice by every individual concerned. One either imbibes what ones parents, teachers or clergy tells them, or, one rebels against it as I did. Now, if it is within one's consciousness you can do that, but if the influence is subliminal or subconscious/unconscious you can't, or certainly can't so easily. I'm in the planning stage of an essay so don't want to give too much away, but in my own lifetime, I rebelled against Jew Hatred at age seven upon seeing the liberation of Bergen-Belsen on television and hearing the church and adults say that the Jews got what they deserved because they killed Jesus (damned right I rebelled.) At seventeen I was a member of the Zionist movement/Zionist Youth Club but, at the age of 52 I discovered that I had somehow formed prejudices against a certain Jewish composer, all traceable to being in earshot of my father and older brother discussing him when I was a young kid! You know how all those useful idiots chant the chants and wave the signs but don't know the first thing about Israel or the ongoing war? Well, I seriously wonder if there's a parallel to be drawn here. In no way am I trying to downplay, excuse antisemitism but I do wonder if ALL antisemites know why they hate Jews? Some do, obviously. Maybe most do, I don't know. There are some nasty, evil individuals out there, the hardest of the hardcore, well beyond the pale. Antisemitism is irrational but I do wonder if some of it is also mindless, by which I mean unconsciously/subconsciously driven?
What they did not know was that the ones in power in Jerusalem at that time had bribed the Romans then to obtain their positions and destroyed the real Jews. The ones who did it were non-jews in Jewish Clothes. Perhaps intermarried.
That is why when a person purports to be something, he needs to act like it. Otherwise he should not be believed.
Agreed. But at the same time, this is why my husband says it is genetic memory. Why is it so easily to fall back into antisemitic conspiracy theories if not because it is simply mentally and emotionally comforting. People are genetically inclined towards alot of things in their lives that may or may nto have been something they have grown up with as well.
Just a correction or expansion of what I wrote about my own "rebellion" yesterday. It wasn't as straightforward or as simple as I put it because as a six/seven year old you are completely powerless. In other words, my rebellion was a silent one and, not only that, I buried the trauma of it all for decades. But I did refuse to think and feel like they did from the getgo.
The pogrom in Amsterdam was, as Francisco Gil white says “a dramatic fact “. The police allow these acts on a spectrum from violent speech to bloody violence because they are complicit. Not just in holland but in the USA in Canada in the uk, Australia,etc etc. The police are only doing what their masters tell them to do. A 2nd holocaust is being devised. It’s sobering but that’s what I see. Please persuade me that I’m wrong.
Being complicit is also not caring or turning away. That is what happened. They didn't care that Jews were being attacked. Question-If 2 football hooligan teams were fighting in the middle of Amsterdam do you think the police would nto have intervened? Of course they would have. They specifically did not intervene because it was Jews being beat up.And it wasn't as if 2 teams were fighting either, women and children were being attacked. There was also no naivete here. It was pure Judenhass on display by the Dutch police.
I think the police did not handle it properly but not out of hatred- but incompetence- I'm not sure how familiar you are with our police force- but it is a thing...unfortunately
I am not familiar with the Dutch police, just what I have read about the incident and about how they now refused to protect Jewish schools because of Gaza. So I was adding 2 and 2 together. (BTW my niece and her husband simply love Amsterdam. It is their go to city of choice. They actually honeymooned there they love it so much)
well- I have lived here for over 40 years and I do have experience- as a Jewish woman and mother- and I think that yes some have been unwilling to help- most have not and therefore I think local government is more to blame in this instance, they were to0 hesitant to act, and the police were most probably doing what they were told.
It’s not just Amsterdam. The police have looked the other way in every city from Sydney to Rome and everywhere in between. The media is almost always biased against Israel.
I can't persuade you that another holocaust isn't being planned. There is 1 big difference though, ISRAEL. As we have seen she will not go down without a fight, and Golda promised decades ago, "next time the Jews will not go alone."
Did you hear, now that Biden has lost the election suddenly he demanded Hamas be thrown out of Qatar. And Qatar has refused to be part of the negotiations anymore. What garbage.
Perhaps the filming began in America of movies.
I think it all began with social media and how people put out everything on these platforms. It reminded me somewhat of the trend of school fights and putting them on tiktok or twitter.
But this is more than that. Remember October 7 they filmed the evil that they did. PArt of it was to document what they were doing like the Nazis did, and the other side of it was to terrify Jews worldwide. That was the aim of the pogromists in Amsterdam. To instill fear in Jews worldwide while getting kudos from their compatriots worldwide.
It was only 85 years ago and the people of this earth have yet to understand. Humans are not very smart. Yes some of the human race do see things in a better light but for the most part most run around in the dark screaming at the walls. As the story in Solomon's life goes, what will make a rich man cry and a poor man rejoice, simply, this too shall pass.
Thank you for your comment. Welcome to by substack.
I'm not sure I buy into the jealousy motivation as being an explanation of antisemitism, tbh. Sure, it's a factor, but I think the truth is more sinister than that. There are misconceptions in the gentile world concerning Jews being called the Chosen People and that IS pure jealousy based on ignorance. And yes, many Jewish people are and have been extremely successful, rich, powerful, etc, but so are others but they don't attract hatred in quite the same way. Jews are scapegoated for just about everything under the sun, and Israel is the Scapegoat of the Nations. It doesn't matter what evil the nations of the world commit, Israel will always be the one to have the finger pointed at it. At a psychological and political level, it masks the inadequacies and failings of individual countries AND world bodies, and incitement against Israel deflects individual angst against weak, ineffective governments onto Israel. It is the same with Jew Hatred, the above applies too, but hatred of the other, especially hatred of the Jews, does seem to shield people from examining their own inadequacies and failings. The same can be said about racism, that is true, but that particular bigotry doesn't focus on something so small as 0.2% of the world's population. I believe the overwhelming factor comes down to religion. Let me qualify that by saying it has more to do with religions influence over countless millions, even billions of people. You don't have to be a regular church member or a devote adherent of Christianity or Islam to have imbibed any of their antisemitic tendencies. Judaism, like it or not, is synonymous with both World Jewry and with Israel, and Judaism at a very basic level threatens both the other two Abrahamic faiths because, according to the tenets of both Christianity and Islam, Judaism - and, therefore, according to that same twisted logic, Jewish particularism - should have disappeared a long time ago. Some of the Christian denominations have post-1948 amended their theological stance regarding both the Jews and Israel, but not all have. I dare say there are Muslim minorities that have gone through or, are going through a similar process, I certainly hope so. But, irrespective of any religious heirarchy's contemporary decision, the "faithful" those people exposed to antisemitism dressed up in religious garb all their lives have those negative teachings etched deep in their psyches. Only a fortunate few (of which I regard myself) rebel at an early enough age to see through the genocidal miasma and walk away, or at least start thinking for themselves. The processes of enculturation play a huge role outside of church and mosque too, and the wider society often adopts to the dominant religious voice, often unconsciously or subconsciously. The subconscious element in all of this is by far the greater evil because if you are consciously aware of something, at least there is a chance you might challenge it someday.
Yes, I was thinking just as I wrote it, that it may be too late.
A citizen of a country who is living within its laws is non-objectionable.
Perhaps one could compare a person of religious practices a good practitioner of it.
If a person does not respect a country’s laws, he may be accountable.
If a person uses a religious label for himself and slurs and degrades by behavior the group,
why should that person be ensured by that group and the whole group suffer because of him?
jealousy based on ignorance—needs corrective teaching —if it is pervasive public ignorance, might there be a (now) public way to correct this ignorance?
Not
amended their theological stance regarding both the Jews and Israel——because it doesn’t affect themselves so not a concern or priority.
Have some of the recent hateful results been augmented by behavior that was questionable and could have been apologized for and subsequently overlooked—if every secular deed is observable by anyone or everyone, shouldn’t there be a denial by those who are careful with their deeds and words of connection to those whose behavior insults their identity group?
With good reason appended.
Corrective teaching/Education would ideally be the norm yet, look at the abject failure of Holocaust Education to prevent the events of post-October 7th happening in the west. One could make a good argument that most of this is down to the Shoah been taken out of Holocaust education in the first place. Many behaviours post-October 7th in the USA, in the UK and on the streets in many, many parts of the world are despicable yet, in the US and the UK both governments and police forces have been unwilling or unable to enforce the law. In the UK they are arresting people for objecting to antisocial/antisemitic behaviours, not the real culprits. For sure, if the governments don't crack down on these Hamas supporters, etc, then they will cetainly be encouraged. It's difficult to unpick it all, but here in the UK much of the problems we're now facing regarding Muslim violence and agitation are traceable back to Tony Blair's time as PM when the predictions were made 20 years ago but no government has been willing to tackle the issues. As regards the relgious situation Christian denominations are in a bind because of the promotion of "Palestinian liberation" theology. The CoE archbishop criticises Hamas (! shock horror!) and gets into hot water with his Arab counterparts, just like the politicians really. As regards church flocks, I have no direct contact with any of them, but I would assume if any parishioner has aquired antisemitic attitudes/behaviours because of prior church teachings, he/she will keep them regardless of any U-turn the heirarchy may wish to make. Looking at it another way, like I was suggesting earlier regarding conscious vs unconscious behaviours, many people seem to be looking at the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas demonstrations and recognising the inherent evil or wrong headedness in it all. Let us hope this is the case. Btw, I agree all these things should be out in the open, but it's unclear how this can be done given government and law-enforcement reluctance to climb down off their respective fences.
Yes. My own education was deprived of 99.9 percent of history of world, especially 1900-1960.
I would say that the failure of holocaust education in the west is because they all lives mattered holocaust education instead of pointing out exactly what happened and why. For example- in my son's high school world history book there were exactly 2 paragraphs on the holocaust and mostly it was taken up by telling everyone the false fact that 11 million people were killed in the holocaust 6 million of them Jews. There was no discussion of the what happened in Germany, any of the laws and how the genocide happened or what happened afterwards either.
And the 11 million number was a number actually created by Simon Wiesenthal because he wanted nonJews to identify with the holocaust. This number is not routed in any fact. the biggest historical mistake ever made.
Sort of as a younger sibling is overlooked whereas the older is held accountable?
Not really. In a family there are dynamics at play that are unique to that family. And for any number of reasons things may be expected more of 1 sibling than the other.
If you want to make a comparison I would say it is like the people/strangers who want to "keep up with Joneses" but can't for any number of reason, and to make themselves feel better they try to burn down the Jones's house.
It is like those on social media that spend their lives building up others only to take enjoyment in their fall from grace.
If “one cannot have one’s own cake—and eat it also,” that does not entitle one to Another Person’s cake!
Thank you for this wonderful comment. My husband says it is genetic memory that allows for antisemitism. That it is easy to fall back into antisemitism because historically for thousands of years it was a very accepted way of thinking.
And I agree it is something you can fight against, just like any theory that makes someone the other.
Antisemitism is unique though in how it is such an overarching menace in so many societies for so many eons. The problem I see is why so many do not want to fight against it but embrace its conspiratorial tendencies. So I was thinking of the jealousy angle like Thomas Sowell. Perhaps we are trying to understand a phenomena rationally when in reality it is completely irrational by its very inception.
Is it really genetic or is it historical and learned upbringing?
Is it nature or nurture? It is mostly nurture, one would assume and yet, are we to seriously ignore two thousand years of antisemitic teachings within western society and pretend that has not been passed on from one generation to another subconsciously? I suspect the key to understanding antisemitism lies in questioning whether it is neccessarily always a conscious choice by every individual concerned. One either imbibes what ones parents, teachers or clergy tells them, or, one rebels against it as I did. Now, if it is within one's consciousness you can do that, but if the influence is subliminal or subconscious/unconscious you can't, or certainly can't so easily. I'm in the planning stage of an essay so don't want to give too much away, but in my own lifetime, I rebelled against Jew Hatred at age seven upon seeing the liberation of Bergen-Belsen on television and hearing the church and adults say that the Jews got what they deserved because they killed Jesus (damned right I rebelled.) At seventeen I was a member of the Zionist movement/Zionist Youth Club but, at the age of 52 I discovered that I had somehow formed prejudices against a certain Jewish composer, all traceable to being in earshot of my father and older brother discussing him when I was a young kid! You know how all those useful idiots chant the chants and wave the signs but don't know the first thing about Israel or the ongoing war? Well, I seriously wonder if there's a parallel to be drawn here. In no way am I trying to downplay, excuse antisemitism but I do wonder if ALL antisemites know why they hate Jews? Some do, obviously. Maybe most do, I don't know. There are some nasty, evil individuals out there, the hardest of the hardcore, well beyond the pale. Antisemitism is irrational but I do wonder if some of it is also mindless, by which I mean unconsciously/subconsciously driven?
What they did not know was that the ones in power in Jerusalem at that time had bribed the Romans then to obtain their positions and destroyed the real Jews. The ones who did it were non-jews in Jewish Clothes. Perhaps intermarried.
That is why when a person purports to be something, he needs to act like it. Otherwise he should not be believed.
Agreed. But at the same time, this is why my husband says it is genetic memory. Why is it so easily to fall back into antisemitic conspiracy theories if not because it is simply mentally and emotionally comforting. People are genetically inclined towards alot of things in their lives that may or may nto have been something they have grown up with as well.
Just a correction or expansion of what I wrote about my own "rebellion" yesterday. It wasn't as straightforward or as simple as I put it because as a six/seven year old you are completely powerless. In other words, my rebellion was a silent one and, not only that, I buried the trauma of it all for decades. But I did refuse to think and feel like they did from the getgo.
It certainly is irrational. And yes, genetic memory is pretty much what I was getting at regarding enculturation.
The pogrom in Amsterdam was, as Francisco Gil white says “a dramatic fact “. The police allow these acts on a spectrum from violent speech to bloody violence because they are complicit. Not just in holland but in the USA in Canada in the uk, Australia,etc etc. The police are only doing what their masters tell them to do. A 2nd holocaust is being devised. It’s sobering but that’s what I see. Please persuade me that I’m wrong.
They weren't complicit- they were both naive and indifferent- they treated it like other run of the mill football riots...
Being complicit is also not caring or turning away. That is what happened. They didn't care that Jews were being attacked. Question-If 2 football hooligan teams were fighting in the middle of Amsterdam do you think the police would nto have intervened? Of course they would have. They specifically did not intervene because it was Jews being beat up.And it wasn't as if 2 teams were fighting either, women and children were being attacked. There was also no naivete here. It was pure Judenhass on display by the Dutch police.
I think the police did not handle it properly but not out of hatred- but incompetence- I'm not sure how familiar you are with our police force- but it is a thing...unfortunately
I am not familiar with the Dutch police, just what I have read about the incident and about how they now refused to protect Jewish schools because of Gaza. So I was adding 2 and 2 together. (BTW my niece and her husband simply love Amsterdam. It is their go to city of choice. They actually honeymooned there they love it so much)
well- I have lived here for over 40 years and I do have experience- as a Jewish woman and mother- and I think that yes some have been unwilling to help- most have not and therefore I think local government is more to blame in this instance, they were to0 hesitant to act, and the police were most probably doing what they were told.
It’s not just Amsterdam. The police have looked the other way in every city from Sydney to Rome and everywhere in between. The media is almost always biased against Israel.
I can't persuade you that another holocaust isn't being planned. There is 1 big difference though, ISRAEL. As we have seen she will not go down without a fight, and Golda promised decades ago, "next time the Jews will not go alone."
Did you hear, now that Biden has lost the election suddenly he demanded Hamas be thrown out of Qatar. And Qatar has refused to be part of the negotiations anymore. What garbage.
He is sorely missed.